New mysteries from Southern

Whilst their passengers continue to suffer a considerably degraded train service, Southern Railways has now let loose another bombshell in the guise of a consultation paper. This is on their website, click on the link “Timetable Consultation Document” and go to Question 52.

This consultation is on the timetable from 2018 and covers the many regions serviced by Southern. Strangely perhaps, 2018 is beyond the current franchise term but, nonetheless, this timetable would inevitably be adopted by the Department for Transport for any future franchise so we should take it very seriously.

Before explaining what the consultation document proposes, it should be emphasized that one of MLAG’s formal objectives has been to increase capacity on the MarshLink because the current two car diesel trains are inadequate going east and even more so going west beyond Hastings where the two car service continues to Brighton alternating with a four car service. About a year ago we heard from Southern that their solution was to retro-fit Electrostar trains with a diesel engine (the Electrostar is a standard electric train with many operating into Hastings) and, indeed, we even extracted a date from Southern to put in our diaries for such trains to be operating on the line (March 2017). But the consultation paper does not incorporate this proposed solution and MLAG will be pushing Southern on why this has disappeared. Without this solution, several of the negative aspects of Southern’s consultation paper relate to the current Type 171 diesel trains continuing to operate on the MarshLink beyond the start of the timetable.

So, what is being proposed (only dealing here with the service between Ashford and Brighton) from the perspective of Rye passengers is as follows:

1. Travelling west from Rye
The hourly service to Brighton is proposed to be truncated at either Hastings or Eastbourne. The objective of this proposal we believe (but further enquiries need to be made) is that, by reducing the length of the route, carriages can be freed up and used to increase the length of the remaining trains, thereby increasing capacity, we are told (but see later), to a three or four car service. But there is another oddity proposed (currently a bit of a mystery) which would have a significant effect on capacity – see below.

So, looking in more detail at the timing effect of the proposed truncation of services:

(i) Truncation of service at Hastings
The effect of terminating the service at Hastings is that passengers travelling further west will, of course, have to change at Hastings but, those going to Brighton, will also have to change at Lewes – looking at the detailed timetable resulting from these changes, the overall journey time to Brighton would increase by 27 minutes. But at least it should be a more comfortable journey – services beyond Hastings would be on longer electric trains!

(ii) Truncation of service at Eastbourne
Southern proposes to schedule a connecting service so there should be no increase in journey time – if the westbound train runs to time. Services beyond Eastbourne would also be on longer electric trains.

2. Travelling east from Rye
Travelling east from Rye, no change in journey times is proposed. But we are concerned whether there would be any increase in capacity because there is a mysterious passage in the consultation document reading as follows:

“The current Class 171 units used on this route, when joined together, cannot be walked through meaning passengers and conductors are unable to access both parts of the train. In this circumstance when operating between Ashford International and Hastings, the rear coaches would need to be locked out of use only providing capacity benefits between Hastings and Brighton. Journey times would also need to be increased to allow for the locking and unlocking of doors which would preclude this option of being able to be accommodated in the current timetable.”

Trying to interpret this is difficult – in what circumstances capacity would be increased is unclear. What would permit the intervening doors to be unlocked, one wonders, when travelling west from Hastings that isn’t present when travelling east from Hastings. This also seems strange in the circumstances that Southern is going through considerable efforts at the moment to persuade its passengers (and the RMT) that it is safe to operate trains without a guard or conductor. Anyway, MLAG will be querying this mystery.

Another of MLAG’s formal objectives is to improve connectivity at Ashford so we will want to enquire about the timetable of the Javelin service from 2018 into and out of Ashford.

The first phase of consultation requires responses by December 8 so MLAG will be having discussions within its Committee and with other local action groups under the auspices of the East Sussex Rail Alliance (“ESRA”). If you have any comments you would like to put to the MLAG Committee, please email info@mlag.org.uk.

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2 COMMENTS

  1. Southern are clearly determined to end the direct Brighton – Ashford service: I recall responding to a similar consultation 3 or 4 (?) years ago – it seems that they’ll keep asking our opinion till they get the answer they want. The response I gave them last time was that if they withdrew the direct service from Brighton (where I live half the time) and Rye, I for one would simply revert to driving – as had been my wont before the introduction of the direct service. The attraction of travel by train rather than car is convenience/ease/relaxation (certainly not price) which is completely negated if the trip requires several changes. Why cannot they simply divide the train “The front two coaches only for Rye, Appledore, Ham St etc etc)”

    p.s I think the locking coach issue is to do with platform lengths – not getting passengers stuck in coaches with no platform to alight onto… Lengthening the platforms doubtless too obvious – easier just to reduce passenger numbers!

  2. I suggest that running a Brighton/Ashford service, particularly when a significant part of it is hampered by two car diesel services (no possible change imminent – no new stock possible, no electrification possible). Surely the solution is to run a good electrified service from Hastings to Brighton, with modern trains of significant length. And split off the Hastings/Ashford service with all the two-car diesel units. If some of these are now not required to go beyond Hastings, there will be more available for an increased frequency of service, notwithstanding that there needs to be passing points east of Rye.
    Running such a service between Hastings and Ashford allows for Rye people (and Winchelsea/Appledore) to choose from Ashford to be London bound or Hastings. Of course some people will be inconvenienced that service west of Hastings is no longer available without changing trains, but the benefits to Rye generally with potentially increased service between Hastings one way and Ashford the other would be great.
    Of course this option isn’t one on the consultation.

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